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		<title>Comment on Hilarity Ensues &#8212; Tucker Max by taylortyler</title>
		<link>http://jseliger.com/2012/02/09/hilarity-ensues-tucker-max/#comment-5100</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Feb 2012 02:18:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Reblogged this on &lt;a href=&quot;http://taylortyler.wordpress.com/2012/02/11/64/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;taylortyler&lt;/a&gt;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reblogged this on <a href="http://taylortyler.wordpress.com/2012/02/11/64/" rel="nofollow">taylortyler</a>.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Weekly Standard on the New-Old Dating Game, Hooking Up, Daughter-Guarding, and much, much more by Hilarity Ensues &#8212; Tucker Max &#171; The Story&#039;s Story</title>
		<link>http://jseliger.com/2010/05/05/the-weekly-standard-on-the-new-old-dating-game-hooking-up-daughter-guarding-and-much-much-more/#comment-5097</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hilarity Ensues &#8212; Tucker Max &#171; The Story&#039;s Story]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2012 06:31:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] and basically preyed on and manipulated by men (see one example, which I wrote about, in &#8220;The Weekly Standard on the New-Old Dating Game, Hooking Up, Daughter-Guarding, and much, much more&#8220;). This kind of makes sense if you&#8217;re a parent trying to lie to yourself or protect [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] and basically preyed on and manipulated by men (see one example, which I wrote about, in &#8220;The Weekly Standard on the New-Old Dating Game, Hooking Up, Daughter-Guarding, and much, much more&#8220;). This kind of makes sense if you&#8217;re a parent trying to lie to yourself or protect [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Enlightened Economy: An Economic History of Britain 1700 – 1850 &#8212; Joel Mokyr by Anything You Want &#8212; Derek Sivers &#171; The Story&#039;s Story</title>
		<link>http://jseliger.com/2010/06/05/the-enlightened-economy-an-economic-history-of-britain-1700-%e2%80%93-1850-joel-mokyr/#comment-5085</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anything You Want &#8212; Derek Sivers &#171; The Story&#039;s Story]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 07:24:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] against long books in either fiction or nonfiction: Cryptonomicon enthralls, and Joel Mokyr&#8217;s The Enlightened Economy manages to be illuminating and various over 500 dense pages. Neither his work nor Sivers&#8217; is [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] against long books in either fiction or nonfiction: Cryptonomicon enthralls, and Joel Mokyr&#8217;s The Enlightened Economy manages to be illuminating and various over 500 dense pages. Neither his work nor Sivers&#8217; is [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Rapt: Attention and the Focused Life — Winifred Gallagher by Anything You Want &#8212; Derek Sivers &#171; The Story&#039;s Story</title>
		<link>http://jseliger.com/2009/08/16/rapt-attention-and-the-focused-life-%e2%80%94-winifred-gallagher/#comment-5084</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anything You Want &#8212; Derek Sivers &#171; The Story&#039;s Story]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 07:24:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] core idea within said book is valuable, it&#8217;s hard to recommend the whole thing; a book like Rapt falls in this [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] core idea within said book is valuable, it&#8217;s hard to recommend the whole thing; a book like Rapt falls in this [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Paul Graham and not being as right as he could be in &#8220;The Age of the Essay&#8221; by Michael Dickens</title>
		<link>http://jseliger.com/2011/12/02/paul-graham-and-not-being-as-right-as-he-could-be-in-the-age-of-the-essay/#comment-5083</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Dickens]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2012 01:49:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;After having students try to write analyses of various kinds of nonfiction, I can see the attraction in teaching them fiction that doesn’t have a specific message it’s trying to impart, primarily because a lot of students simply don’t have sufficient background knowledge to add anything to most of the nonfiction they read. They don’t read nonfiction very carefully, which means they have trouble making any statements other than bald assertion and frequently saying things that be countered through appeals to the text itself.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

This could be simply because they haven&#039;t read enough nonfiction. I don&#039;t know what sort of environment you teach in, but I suspect that teachers of lower grades focus almost entirely on fiction, so when you introduce students to nonfiction, it forces them to think in new ways. Even if they don&#039;t have any original ideas other than &quot;bald assertions,&quot; the very act of reading nonfiction should stretch their minds.

It sounds like you&#039;re saying, &quot;They don&#039;t have much experience with nonfiction, so there&#039;s no point trying to give them experience with nonfiction.&quot; Yes, their responses to writings are non well-formed, but the only way to write better is to practice.

I may be off base or missing something, as I haven&#039;t ever taught an English class, but those are my thoughts.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>After having students try to write analyses of various kinds of nonfiction, I can see the attraction in teaching them fiction that doesn’t have a specific message it’s trying to impart, primarily because a lot of students simply don’t have sufficient background knowledge to add anything to most of the nonfiction they read. They don’t read nonfiction very carefully, which means they have trouble making any statements other than bald assertion and frequently saying things that be countered through appeals to the text itself.</p></blockquote>
<p>This could be simply because they haven&#8217;t read enough nonfiction. I don&#8217;t know what sort of environment you teach in, but I suspect that teachers of lower grades focus almost entirely on fiction, so when you introduce students to nonfiction, it forces them to think in new ways. Even if they don&#8217;t have any original ideas other than &#8220;bald assertions,&#8221; the very act of reading nonfiction should stretch their minds.</p>
<p>It sounds like you&#8217;re saying, &#8220;They don&#8217;t have much experience with nonfiction, so there&#8217;s no point trying to give them experience with nonfiction.&#8221; Yes, their responses to writings are non well-formed, but the only way to write better is to practice.</p>
<p>I may be off base or missing something, as I haven&#8217;t ever taught an English class, but those are my thoughts.</p>
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		<title>Comment on How Universities Work, or: What I Wish I’d Known Freshman Year: A Guide to American University Life for the Uninitiated by Instant feedback in the classroom, and in life &#171; The Story&#039;s Story</title>
		<link>http://jseliger.com/2010/09/26/how-universities-work-or-what-i-wish-i%e2%80%99d-known-freshman-year-a-guide-to-american-university-life-for-the-uninitiated/#comment-5082</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Instant feedback in the classroom, and in life &#171; The Story&#039;s Story]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Feb 2012 22:40:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] able to get data on them quickly, without disrupting what else is happening. Granted, there&#8217;s near-zero institutional incentive at universities for grad students or even professors to think about this when they teach, [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] able to get data on them quickly, without disrupting what else is happening. Granted, there&#8217;s near-zero institutional incentive at universities for grad students or even professors to think about this when they teach, [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Adapt &#8212; Tim Harford by Instant feedback in the classroom, and in life &#171; The Story&#039;s Story</title>
		<link>http://jseliger.com/2012/01/29/adapt-tim-harford/#comment-5081</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Instant feedback in the classroom, and in life &#171; The Story&#039;s Story]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Feb 2012 22:40:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] no battle plan survives first contact with the enemy. It&#8217;s easy to see how those ideas can be adapted for the classroom. And I read this this great Atlantic article on great teachers: Great teachers, [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] no battle plan survives first contact with the enemy. It&#8217;s easy to see how those ideas can be adapted for the classroom. And I read this this great Atlantic article on great teachers: Great teachers, [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on About by Early February Links: William Gibson, publishing (self and legacy), links, teaching, boring playgrounds, and more &#171; The Story&#039;s Story</title>
		<link>http://jseliger.com/about/#comment-5076</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Early February Links: William Gibson, publishing (self and legacy), links, teaching, boring playgrounds, and more &#171; The Story&#039;s Story]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2012 04:09:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Why don&#8217;t I do more writer interviews? by Early February Links: William Gibson, publishing (self and legacy), links, teaching, boring playgrounds, and more &#171; The Story&#039;s Story</title>
		<link>http://jseliger.com/2012/01/27/why-dont-i-do-more-writer-interviews/#comment-5075</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Early February Links: William Gibson, publishing (self and legacy), links, teaching, boring playgrounds, and more &#171; The Story&#039;s Story]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2012 04:09:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] In writing almost anything, &#8220;one sometimes finds out what one thinks,&#8221; especially if the readers of that writing pose interesting, informed questions. Which I often think about, even when I don&#8217;t respond directly. Note that I often respond directly, too. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] In writing almost anything, &#8220;one sometimes finds out what one thinks,&#8221; especially if the readers of that writing pose interesting, informed questions. Which I often think about, even when I don&#8217;t respond directly. Note that I often respond directly, too. [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Distrust That Particular Flavor &#8212; William Gibson by Early February Links: William Gibson, publishing (self and legacy), links, teaching, boring playgrounds, and more &#171; The Story&#039;s Story</title>
		<link>http://jseliger.com/2012/01/29/distrust-that-particular-flavor-william-gibson/#comment-5074</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Early February Links: William Gibson, publishing (self and legacy), links, teaching, boring playgrounds, and more &#171; The Story&#039;s Story]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2012 04:09:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] William Gibson eloquently describes why I write a blog, from Distrust That Particular Flavor: In writing speeches, curiously, one sometimes finds out what one thinks, at that moment, about [...]]]></description>
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